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and on that note i remind you my radio show is on sirius xm 127 monday through friday from noon to 3:00. survey tonight we ask, can newt gingrich recover and win the gop nomition? 7% of you said yes. 93% of you say he's finished. that's the ed show. i'm ed schultz. newt the grinch. let's play "hardball." [ applause ] >> good evening, i'm chris matthews at exposition park in los angeles. leading off tonight, bill maher, the erasable hbo host is our guest and he will talk about arnold schwarzenegger and bust out the republicans who want to be president, the nastiness of newt, disappearance of donald, the hello/good-bye for huckabee
and the hunt for the real candidate and what kind of shape president obama is in heading into 2012. let's get started right now with bill maher. daytime. lots of sunshine. are you used to this? >> you know, i have lived here for 27 years. i've never been here. >> we are right near the coliseum. let me ask you about this story we are trying to get on top of tonight, had this republican, these gigantic thanksgiving floats there, big names, like donald trump, you know, and then he is gone and then -- well, huckabee is not a big one. >> huck bay is big one. >>' big one? >> absolutely. that's hot white house thought they were going to run against that is the most talented politician in that party. whenever i had him on our show, people would say to met next day, you know, accident agree with anything he said but i liked him. he was also someone who could unite the -- what i call the indoor and outdoor wings of the party. >> right. >> without him, they don't have
that. they are going to have to nominate some -- just empty suit like pawlenty with a frothing loon like michele bachmann. >> that's the mix. >> they will have to unite the party that way. >> did that last time, did well, didn't it? >> that's right. >> how do you put together the opposition party, regular political party to the right of other party with an absolute protest screw you party? how do you put it together? >> you talking about the tea party? >> yeah. >> oh. well, i thought maybe you meant the democrats. the christian right took over their party for a while and then they have to sell out to them and they wind up selling out to a degree where they lose elections. what i love about the republicans, 'cause i don't like them to win, is the fact that they have to win in iowa. the nominee has to -- iowa is a
roach motel. i keep saying this, candidates crawl in but they do not crawl out, because what you have to say to win over that crowd in iowa, the republican evangelical base in iowa does not play in the general election. and whatever canada, you see people, very reasonable people, like a tim pawlenty, minnesota, he's very soft, mild-mannered guy. remember, he said that thing about -- we have to take a golf club to the windshield of the -- he compared the deficit to like tiger woods' wife going nuts on his car. they have to say crazy things like that to win in iowa. the general election taking back what they said in the pry mare. >> if you ask a person whether they believe in evolution, they consider that a curve ball now. >> right. >> the republicans, because that's perfect for iowa. can say i do believe in it you're dead man in iowa.
>> governor chris christie of new jersey, you know who i'm talking about, governor lard he is supposed tonight reasonable one. i'm from new jersey. we are not the crazy people. he said this last week, that he did not -- was not sure about he have league loougs and that we -- >> he is running. >> exactly. well, i don't think this time but next time. he is setting the table for a run there. what sort of a country is this where you can't cop to evolutioning? global warming i can sort of understand though not really if you read three things in your life, aid understand that it is really happening, but evolution, i thought we settled this with the scopes trial? >> my favorite question, bill, it's your territory here, because it is the craziness of these people, but why do we test
our medical prod doubles on animals and monkeys and guinea pig it is they are not somehow related to us historically? it would be an absurd test? what would they say to that? >> i don't know what this is related to. >> because they don't believe in evolution. >> i see what you're saying you. i'm a peta board member, chris, i don't believe in testing in animals. i love animals, i'm not that crazy about people. >> let's talk about -- then you're perfect to talk about these guys. donald trump quit. why did he quit? did you hear the reason? i couldn't get it? >> i think because he got a whiff of the -- as napoleon used to say. i had this bet with david letterman a few weeks ago said he is not serious it is just a joke. i think he was running because his ego needs the white house that is the only thing that can -- >> the big one. >> acome date it at this point. but once people started to fire back, the white house correspondents he dinner, think that's what did it. >> incoming. >> yeah. when you run for office and you shoot at other people, they shoot back. >> did you see his face? he didn't know whether to laugh
it off or to get mad or have a press conference afterwards. >> right. of course, he has declared bankruptcy more times than mc hammer. this was going to come out. all the things were going to come out. >> we are going to come back. more with bill maher coming back outside los angeles. more with him in a minute. my friend -- come on up. how do you like shaving? i don't like it. it makes my neck itch. [ male announcer ] shaving can cause irritating tug and pull. you think there's a better razor out there? i sure haven't found one. let's take the proglide challenge. [ male announcer ] fusion proglide is engineered with gillette's thinnest blades ever so it glides for less tug and pull. this thing is fantastic. i don't feel like i'm shaving. [ male announcer ] turn shaving into gliding with the fusion proglide. it was smooth. it was just so clean. [ male announcer ] gillette fusion proglide. >> ( rooster crows ) >> by 2020, 50 billion network devices will roam the earth. that's seven devices per person. this will change how we work in ways we've never before imagined. what do you need to secure your people, their devices, and your business? a network that can evolve and grow to protect your human network.
welcome back to "hardball" from los angeles. we are with bill maher, the host of "realtime." i don't know whether where to start who do we start with now in this second block? we start with arnold and maria or this french guy who thought he was very popular with this maid in new york? where do we start? >> well, i guess arnold looks a lot better 'cause his was consensual. >> yeah. >> if your going to go after the household help, get a yes first. a 10-year-old store, but held, embargoed. is this something we should be talking about? >> first of all it should not be
a giant surprise. when arnold schwarzenegger ran for governor out here, you remember this only about seven years ago, i think it was something like 15 women came forward to say he at least groped them. 15? even arnold had to say, where there's smoke, there's fire. i remember there was film of him groping women he was on some sort of movie junket in europe. >> yeah. >> and when you're doing it on camera, chris, chances are you have an illegitimate child off camera. just saying. >> remember what groucho marx said, "who are you going to believe? me or your like eyes"? you think it is political, guy didn't do anything on public time, wasn't a public employee. wasn't like clinton, like under oath. told the story eventually. >> we talking about arnold? >> yeah arnoldsome this a political story, say anything about american politics, can people -- be we went through
this with clinton, you and i, compartmentalize and say, yeah, he is great on fiscal policy, kept us out of war, but bush, clean marriage, but a war we should have never fought? >> doug that but not in america. doug that in sophisticated countries. we are not one of those. we are a childish country and if somebody has their pee pee in the news it is going to be the top story for a lot of people. i mean, many people did -- never accepted bill clinton because they said things like if he cheats on his wife what would he do to the country, like he is going to start working for belgium instead of us. you know, they conflate cheating in your personal life or somehow being immoral. >> clinton has turned out to be, i was wrong overinflating it in terms with the story, did he have the problem with the law
and impeachment process, he has turned out to be this incredibly good guy on solving the disease he is of the world, fighting malaria, fighting aids. >> sure. >> doing all this great stuff. >> and an effective president. >> yeah. >> we did an editorial on our show recently about -- and the theme was just tell met rule, because john edwardss, for example had a child with his mistress, newt gingrich -- left his wife when she was on -- had cancer. newt gingrich did the same thing. how come john edwardss is the worst man ever and newt gingrich gets to run for president? newt gingrich has the moral compass -- >> shoot their wounded republicans next time. you know the way it works. that's why i think newt -- the republican party is a weirdly politically forgiving party of their own people. nixon, how many times, five times? >> right. >> and newt's back. you think he can actually win, newt? >> no. of course not. because first of all, people don't want to look at him. [ laughter ] for very good reason. i mean, that's not often said out loud. you know, he is ugly inside and what's not mentioned is that he
is also ugly outside. >> you know my theory about his, he can't be the devil because he looks like the develop. the devil is supposed to look like marilyn mon role you know that. >> whenever people talk about newt, the first thing out of their mouth is yes, he has these family problems and these moral problems but he is this had brilliant -- >> where do they get from thank from? >> i don't know. a professor, a professor of idiocy. never, ever been a brilliant man. i said this on our show last friday, he prove it had on sunday when did he this flip-flop you were just talking b. >> yeah, he was for the president's plan for requiring health insurance until monday. >> right. >> then he wasn't for it because somebody said you know what you just said you said obama's right. you can't say' he is right. >> he made the case for them without even knowing it >> yeah. >> he is not a bright guy, not that america cares. >> how about blaming gregory for being some tricky clever lefty, secretly planning to get him? >> who? >> david gregory on "meet the press"? >> oh, yes.
he isth is the sarah palin defense. katie couric was tricking me by asking me what i read. [ laughter ] >> that's curve ball. so, what's gonna happen, at the end of all this? obama wins, not next year, not sure. you are a prognosticator in your own way, too. >> i certainly would bet on obama at this point. first of all, i think by killing bin laden he finally won over middle america and when i say middle america, i mean white people. you know, there's nothing that says i'm a real american more than shooting somebody in the face. [ laughter ] apparently, he had a license to kill stapled to the back of that birth certificate and that's what they needed to hear. >> and can you imagine if the republicans had 9/11 happen on the democrats' watch and they caught bin laden? can you imagine how that would have been spun?
>> that's what i said last week. i said republicans, just tell me what you're good at. because you always run on you're the party that's strong on defense and fiscally responsible. well, you're not fiscally responsible. most of this debt we are so concerned about, the bush wars, the bush tax cuts for the rich, the prescription drug program for old people and the recession, which was mostly the fault of republican deregulation so you are not fiscally responsible. and on defense, you didn't get bin laden. bush had seven years get bin laden. >> let him go >> didn't get him h he got wesley snipes. >> tora bora. >> right. [ applause ] 9/11 happened on your watch and then you attacked the wrong country. so, if you're not good at defense -- >> he got wesley snipes on taxes, right? i almost missed that one. yeah. go ahead >> not good at either one of these things. if you sex at the two things you're supposed to be good at that your selling points are, why are we voting for you? i understand why 1% of this country, the richest 1% votes republican. you will have to explain to me the other 40 or 50%. >> the bottom lines, you are talking about the republican party the indoor party and the outdoor party. the indoor party is mitt romney in a business suit, outside of the crazy people, the wild people, the tea party people but got to be a "rosemary's baby" thing going on in tampa next year, have a father, not sure
who it was, right? that baby is born, only the mother is going to love that kid, right? who is this nominee going to be? >> i used to always ask people who were strong, you know, pro-life people, what if it's "rosemary's baby"? a dilemma. you hate abortion in every circumstance, what if it's the devil and they would be like, oh, wow. >> i think you're becoming a point here though. so, bottom line here, is the president going to win and who is he going to beat? who is the nominee? make a pick? >> lamar alexander. [ laughter ] no seriously, they need somebody like that who is like huckabee, who can unite both wings. i mean, i think -- you know, knowing the republican party, who picks like the oldest person -- >> hoe they do lost many times. >> like gold watch. so i predict lamar zblant alexander and orrin hatch. >> in the past 60 years going took '52 three name properties ticket every single time against one, nixon, bush and dole. one of those three names was on
every single ticket. they like the -- >> george bush jr. used to run on being a washington outsider even though his family had a key to the white house for, like, most of the last -- >> turn over the pill locker the fresh side of the pill low, you can't sleep. who would you most like to cover on "realtime" on friday night use 191:00 who would you like most tonight strong candidate between now and the iowa caucuses? get out there and make noise against obama? >> a tragedy this last week for comedian because huckabee -- huckabee and trump, who had more in common than you think. trump was a major real estate investor and huckabee just added a second hole to his outhouse. >> a house in florida. that's why he is not run. >> this guy the country jokes, trump was going to be "green acres" jokes. >> okay, bachmann, my hunch is bachmann get inches my hunch is bachmann wins the western conference, gets it, the tea partiers crazy for her? >> i think they are over palin and bachmann is the candidate
for people who find palin too intellectual. [ laughter ] >> thank you, bill maher. >> my pleasure. >> "realtime" friday night. you can catch bill in atlanta at the cobb energy center on may 26th. up next, the republican party is beginning to turn on new england -- turn on newt gingrich. "hardball," only on msnbc. [ cheers and applause ] [ male announcer ] a moment that starts off ordinary can become romantic just like that. a spark might come from -- a touch, a glance -- it can come along anywhere, anytime. and when it does, men with erectile dysfunction
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ryan is unforgivable. >> i didn't do anything to paul ryan. yefrnlts, you did you undercut him and his allies in the house. >> no. >> you are an embarrassment to our party. >> i'm sorry you feel that way. >> why don't you get out before you make a bigger fool of yourself. >> you're an embarrassment to our party why don't you get to out before you make a bigger fool of yourself, pretty smart there let's turn to two msnbc political analysts, howard fineman of the "huffington post" and eugene robinson, "washington post." i have never seen a worst entree into washington politics. within one day he has alienated his own party, changed position three teens health care, but let's go to this assault this assassination of the republicans' own platform which they all passed, except for four members of the house, 218 votes for this plan and he completely depth charges it the first day on "meet the press." what is going on in newt gingrich's head? howard fineman? >> well, that's question i have been trying to answer for about 20 years. i have been covering newt from
the time that he was a -- he was a -- he was a young, you know, revolutionary getting his morning exercise, trudging along on the mall, thinking great revolutionary thoughts. newt is by nature a bomb terror. knows how to put the plastique in just the flies blow up the bridge t is the way he is. why not, since he has totally screwed everything up today why not give him a little credit for saying, you know what i don't agree with their approach? i mean, was it dumb politic cities in think so. and it was just cemented by the fact that in this tv age in this instant video age, for him to be greeted by that voter out there in iowa, oh, my god, that was disastrous. but that's just newt. that's the way he is. by this afternoon, he was calling paul ryan oh an conference call reaching out saying i, you know, i got trapped by the adversarial nature of "meet the press." newt gingrich has probably been on "meet the press" 25 times, accident know it was an
adversarial event? just crazy? >> called straight reporting by david gregory, right down the middle. david gregory never been accused of having a partisan bone in his party. he asked him to explain how he could be -- let's start on this issue. he asked him if he support the republican plan on medicare, the guy doesn't support t this isn't tricky questioning. >> no, not tricky questioning at all. and as howard said, david gregory play it is down the middle. look, you started with the question what is going on in newt's head that is never the question, it is what is going on in newt's mouth or what's coming out of newt's mouth? it's minute to minute almost. remember about the military action in libya? he was against it he was for it he was against it again and, you know, it's -- that's the way he is. it's as if he is at some sort of very lively faculty club
function at which, you know, there's a guy -- another guy in the history department with whom he is rivals and trying to outjab him with his bow most. gets him in trouble constantly. >> seems to me he has gone a one, two punch, delivered to his own chin. the first thing he does attack the republican plan on medicare saying it was a bad idea, social right-wing engineering. howard, that is attacking the republicans who stuck their neck out of this, voted for something they knew was treacherous, knew was precarious, here is guy pulled it out from under them. every democrat running for congress next year can say even their own former speaker, new england, says that is right-wing social engineering. >> that's right. >> it is a lethal shot. >> no, that was absolutely
devastating and you're right. and of course, not that the democrats are going to give newt any credit for wanting to start a discussion, because jay carney, the white house press secretary came out in the press room this afternoon, didn't let newt up off the floor and said, well, newt said that, but don't forget that newt also said that he wanted to see medicare die on the vine. on the one hand, newt is going to get attacked by fellow republicans for not being a team player and issuing a devastating shot at the heart of the whole republican attack plan this year but at the same time if newt manages to get anywhere, which is unlikely, he is going to be attacked by the democrats for saying he wanted to see medicare die on the vine. >> what's interesting, everybody out of the woodwork, santorum, never seems to be in the national conversation in there trashing the guy, saying the criticism of paul ryan's medicare plan yesterday was a big departure from newt gingrich's often sound policy proposal. dick armey, i don't think like newt gingrich, my view now, he joined the don't care crowd. it isn't about the nation's health care, fiscal health care it is about the presidential
race. >> one thing we should keep in mind, newt is on the side of public opinion here. >> he is right. >> we shouldn't forget that all these republicans who were piling onto newt saying how co-say that, great medicare plan. >> an opportunist. >> heaping several throws of dirt on themselves. have to vote in general election. >> he happens to be right in this case. >> what? >>'s day trader, every day goes a wet thumb in the air, wet finger. the other day, they caught him, gregory caught him in that tough so-called partisan investigation the other day greggingry caught on the fact that back when he was a speaker, he was for requiring people to have health insurance. on sunday, when david asked him for the right question, requiring people for health care, monday realized he put his foot in the mess and denied he
ever said that he is challenging what he, himself says, today on tuesday, a tricky he question, accusing david of being katie couric, both asking simple questions and he is getting simpleton answers. who is the bad guy here, except him? >> well, yes, he is, well, now, today, as i said, he said he is reaching out to paul ryan, if he is going to be -- if his arm reaches that long enough, he is going to be reaching of doubt paul ryan to explain what he really meant which is that he supports the idea. now, his latest line is he spores paul ryan and what paul ryan wants to do, ie, social engineering, but the republicans need to prepare the ground of public opinion. they need to convince the american people first before the american people accept the social engineering from the right. if you can follow all of that then you're a better mind than even the people who are going to be voting in the iowa caucuses. >> every time one of these republicans gets the floor, starting with page and then grab aid way from her she sort of
dropped it by trump, he was the ñ get the big room they make horse's ass of themselves. every single republican who has got innocent big room looks like a lounge act an hour after they start. what is going on now, last two questions what is the curse on the republican nomination that everyone looks like a mole for the other side? your thoughts first, gene? >> well, the right people haven't come into the big room yet and taken the stage. i mean, look, in new england -- >> oh? >> let's be honest, a long shot as a presidential candidate. donald trump, you know, forget about it. sarah palin is sarah palin, but she doesn't have that sort of, you know, traditional presidential campaigner aura about her. >> hey, chris -- >> you know, a candidate will come along and i just don't know
when and frankly don't know who but ain't these guys. >> chris, just wait for michele bachmann to announce, then you will be reassured about the big room. >> okay. i mean this is the strangest thanksgiving day float, everybody -- these gigantic floats going by and everybody is shooting at them. anyway, thank you, howard fineman, thank you, gene robinson, for exploring the absurdity of this republican quest for what? up next, with mike huckabee out, michele bachmann sees an opening and she is reportedly close to making a run for president. can bachmann breakthrough and change this game? we will be right back from los angeles after this.
[ laughter ] what about the republican field is a mess, so my heart says yes? [ applause ] >> welcome to become "hardball" from los angeles. mike huckabee out of the presidential race. will social conservatives rally around michele bachmann? she thinks so, jan crawford of cbs news reports "on sunday, sources close to bachmann told me they really see a real opening for her and they expect her to get into the race as soon as june." that's next month. how far can bachmann go? for that, we turn to ron reagan, aught over "my father at 100" and shoshanna walsh, contributory "newsweek" and co-author of the book "sarah from alaska "." let me go to both of you now. i have a theory, ron, first of all, michele bachmann has a great grate opening here way, call the western conference, the fact that trump is out of the
race, huckabee is not in the race, palin hasn't made a move yet, the door wide open for michele bachmann to go to the tea party people she is a natural leader of. your thought? >> absolutely right there trump was never a serious candidate, but huckabee was and it is remarkable that a candidate who is a front runner many polls has now bowed out of the race, i think there is a lot more money to be made as a talk show host but bachmann, because of the social conservative strength in iowa has a real snot iowa. i don't know if she she can actually win the nomination, maybe she is running to improve her brand as they say the problem for the republicans as she improves her brand, their brand takes a nosedive. just think of the phrase
"republican presidential front-runner michele bachmann." you see what i mean, i think. >> i thank you that would be the case. what do you think, shoshanna, coming out of iowa, the big test for the cultural right, nominated people like robertson, would she be the front run we are huckabee out? >> i think she has a great chance in iowa. i think that she has proved herself at being able to raise a ton of money. she could use that in iowa. really are, she has to win there. after iowa it gets harder for her, i think then she could would focus on south carolina, but i think she does have a real shot in the caucus state of iowa. she would play right into evangelical christians as mike huckabee did in 2008. another constituency of his, also evangelical christians, home schoolers. i was out in iowa in 2008 and they came out in hundreds and hundreds to see mike huckabee and those are the people that will come out to see michele bachmann. they would be energized by her, by a conservative woman that -- with similar beliefs in them.
i think that there is a real opening for her now that mike huckabee is out. >> you know, i think ron and i think shoshanna, just go through the shape of the field, as they say in massachusetts, defines the winner. only one woman running, if palin doesn't run. one woman running, one cultural conservative, santorum in the front ranks here. seems to me she can go out there and talk about the foster children she has raised, her own family, family values out of th midwest, a good selling story, legitimate story, full, to the cultural right who care about home schools and things like this. i think you are right where else do they go, where do they find a home? significaft!parts of the republican party, if not michele bachmann, then who? who is it going to be? of course, you get out, away from iowa, into places like the northeast, new york, or california or places like that the idea that you know, humans used to ride around on dinosaurs doesn't play so well. and so, michele bachmann's not going to play so well. >> would you explain that? something to do with the age of
the bible. >> creationism, she doesn't believe in evolution. >> explain that. >> she doesn't believe -- >> explain why people would be riding around on dinosaurs? here is the argument. the bible is only 6,000 years old. only 6,000 years old because there's only so many begats in the old testament. must have include the age of the dinosaurs existed at some point, all living this way. this question, by the way, shoshanna, is not a completely crazy question. if you are complete lay fundamentalist and a lot of tea party people are and have no time for this secular science, really question evolution, really believe there were seven days in creation, really don't like all this modern talk, secular society is she the win over this crowd and are they doomed as presidential -- a nominating force? >> you know, i do think that she really plays into that crowd perfectly, but there are other people, rick santorum will also
focus on those voters. i see michele bachmann with her had money and the way this thank she does light up a crowd. they will be wooed by her. after iowa it becomes much harder. >> you know what -- >> wins in south carolina, wait a minute, guys, you think the republican party is the party of the northeast sew fizz tick cats. the republican party is increasing lit party of the south, of the baptist south, evangelical parts of the country. i don't think this sophisticated republican party you are talking about, sure they are in the northeast but they lose all those votes in jent. shoshanna, where is this sophisticated republican party meet where do they have their meeting? >> well, i think a lot of them helped mitt romney raise 10.25 million yesterday. so, i think that a lot of those people are going to help out romney and but you're right. after iowa, bachmann will focus if she does get in, on south carolina and then if she wins two out of the three early
states, maybe she could just ride that momentum to the finish line, but i do think it gets much harder. >> ron, help me out here, i note republican party is increasingly the party that went nuts over sarah palin four years -- three years ago, loved her at that convention, the kinds of people that show up in primaries and show up in caucuses are the far right crowd. >> you're absolutely right. she could win the nomination, not but not the general election, only 15 to 20% of the people are people that don't believe global warming is happening are homophobic bigots that sort of stuff, the people she likes, the real mouth-brooerts out there, but they aren't the majority of the country, even the majority of voters, she can't really win and she drags the republican party out there with her if she is the nominee. what did you make of her smart move on birtherism, just before
the president showed his birth certificate, asked by george stephanopoulos, smoke the old standard birth certain he had out for months, year, she said, okay, he's legitimate american-born pet president. let's stop this. she seemed to know when to fold that tent. >> first, she tried the old i'll take the president's word for it ploy, that didn't work, she had to fall back on, well, i guess it is settled now. i think she is a cleverer politician than sarah palin, i think she would be more forbiddable than palin. >> ron reagan, thank you -- go ahead, shoshanna. >> i think we shouldn't forget about sarah palin, watching this news and being like anxious to get in there, especially after hearing the huckabee news, michele bachmann's news, i wouldn't count her out yet, chris. >> palin? you think palin might be giving up her sal rate roger ales' operation to run for president? >> i think she is looking at the huckabee news and just salivating. i think that she -- >> more fun for us.
>> she is still making a -- >> prove herself to be -- i think she has proven herself to be profoundly stupid. her inability to answer the questions of katie couric, her inability now to ever explain she reads anything, her absolute failure to begin studying and get serious about running for president, she has shown no effort at doing any homework or understanding of the issues, like the economy or science or the world, no effort and she is running for president? i don't believe she would be at all helpful to our republic. thank you, ron reagan, thank you, shoshanna walsh. thank you. how do we get to our kids to stay in school, speaking of sarah palin, and graduate? we will talk to former fcc chairman michael powell, trying to do just that get kids to graduate. that is coming up next. this is "hardball" from los angeles. [ doctor ] here's some health information for people over 50.
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welcome back to "hardball." as part of our education nation, michael powell is president of the national cable television service. he's co-chairman of america's promise. we're talking about which is alliance with grad nation campaign. he's working to keep kids from dropping out of school. grad nation. that's the name. >> that's the name. >> north philly, row houses, poor kids, a lot of crime problems, drug problems. kids, 15, 16 years old. he knows there's a drug trade. he knows there's a business plan. it's horrible, but he sells drugs to the neighborhood. >> right. >> how do you compete with that kid? we're going to keep you in
school to do what? how do you get that kid to think about that? >> it gets to what the dream's going to be for the information age. where do you connect up with what's happening in school with the prospects for job and prosperity in the information age. the solutions are being much more tech savvy, knowledge-based. we don't have the world where you could drop out of high school, go to ford motor and spend the next 30 years and have a two-car garage. >> that's what i grew up with. it's gone.ç >> we have to compete globally with a class of kids 25% of whom are dropping out of high school. every 26 seconds we're losing a high school kid. 7,000 a day by the time the sun sets on this day we'll lost. >> what will be the biggest difference on a kid who's tough. he wants to be tougher. he's trying to figure out how can i be a man? i'm talking about the boys first. how do you tell that kid he can be a man as he proceeds to his late teenage years by studying at school? what do you do by changing things?
>> i think a real man is a citizen of the united states to take care of his kids. and make sure that his kids have a better life than he did. today in this day and age without a high school diploma and more importantly without a pros protect for college, you're two times more likely to be unemploymented. you're much more likely to go to prison. you're much more likely to earn $25,000 to $30,000. >> he may know that and seeing kids drug addicts and ruining other people's lives. he knows this stuff. what can you bring him that's going to change him? mentoring. is it business stunts? >> this is why i think the country needs a radical intervention. it has to happen in the community. the american promise initiative is to drive into local communities first of all with time and treasure. at the personal level, mentorship programs, afterschool programs by individuals. businesses can come into communities to show that kid why their education can connect up to a better future. they can make time available for
their employees during the workday to go out and take ownership of those school systems. and they can help us target the 1600 worst performing schools in america which count for 50% of all dropouts in the united states. >> what kind of success have you had? >> the mqst two years we brought that number down from 2,000 to 1600, which is the number of the worth performing school. like i said, 50% of all dropouts come from that school. if you're black or hispanic 75% of those kids are from those schools. we've seen a drop as a result of that intervention. part of that is school reform which you hear secretary duncan talk about. our belief if you don't form the community and the school, it's all wasted. >> give me an example now of the
kid, a model here. give me a model here. a kid, he's 16. he's thinking of dropping out. your prom shows up, what happens. >> one of the things we try to get them involved. we're a big believer that the kid needs a support system and the kinds of opportunities to take care of them in the classroom and outside the classroom. you're counting on strong curriculum, strong teacher performance. at 3:30, what happens? do they have a safe place to study? do they have a safe place to engage in academic activity? do they have a caring adult to show them that there's a reasonable to believe in yourself and in school? do we deploy people that can bring that kind of perspective? are they healthy? my kids get sick, they're on antibiotics by the next morning. a lot of these kids will lose a whole week because they have a cold. the mother has to take off from school, get that kid to the doctor. the doctor's a poor system. we try to bring in health care supports in the community in the school. >> what are the cities where you've done this? >> we've done it all over the country. we're committed to most of the major cities you would imagine, philadelphia, chicago, boston, los angeles, these are all cities that have many of these
dropout crisis schools that are deployed and each and every one of them that's our goal to take on all the cities. >> a great cause. i look at these old neighborhoods write grew up, they used to have factories and you could get on the subway and work the night shift like my grandpa.ç now they have gentrified courts, but no jobs for the working class kids. >> that's right. >> that's the challenge. sit finding those jobs in the end? >> it's the challenge to america. i think our future is fiction without it. if you think about it in the next ten years, if we lose all those dropouts that's $3 trillion to the u.s. economy. talk about a deficit redestruction plan, there it is to get those kids to stay in school. >> tell me about your dad and mom? how they're doing? how's the general? >> he's as good as he's ever been. >> that guy could have been president of the united states 30 times. >> some of us are glad he's not. >> thank you michael powell. america's promise is the sponsor of our show today. when we return, we're going to talk to this crowd in los angeles. you're watching "hardball" on only msnbc.
i'm out here in los angeles talking about everything. i want to get some thought from the people about the upcoming presidential election, sir. >> i want to talk about mitch daniels' wife. can you imagine if michelle obama left her two daughters for three years like that, the republicans could have had a field day off of that. >> i think you made your point. what do you think? >> chris, i think we should give new to boot. i don't think there is a valuable candidate in the republicans right now. >> is that breaking your heart? >> yes, it is. it really is. >> what do you think? any thoughts? go ahead. >> i wanted to say you were talking about public-private partnerships how can we invest communities into the work that is needed in schools. >> you just heard from michael powell, i think the big thing is mentoring.
i think somebody that has a pretty good education and has some opportunities in life to take off five hours a week and work with a teenage kid. his parents love him in a way you can't, but maybe you can introduce him into a world that he doesn't have access to. but also seeing a job, businesses step forward and say if you graduate even with a c ç average, we've got a job for you. that's what the drug trade's offering him. he's got a job and a territory. you've got to beat that. >> a successful black president would be good for kids in terms of education and in terms of hope for the future. a successful black family, a successful black president. these things are helpful. it does more. absolutely. so that's what the republicans want to kill. they want to kill the fact that this is a successful black man that came from nothing. >> why do they want to do that? >> because it threatens white supremacy. if black people can believe that
they can do whatever they want to do and they don't have to be granted it by somebody that's superior to them, it changes the game. that's why they want to destroy barack obama and put herman cane ore flavor flav as president. >> every single mandate that obama has met, they're against it. >> some more here. >> i want to say how it's really affecting us, you know, like, people don't really notice. not even the teachers. we're the ones being affected. we're the children. we're trying to learn here. teachers they have their education and what they're trying to hire is more teachers. we need the teachers and you know, instead of hiring more prison guards, when we don't have education. >> okay. thank you so much. i wish we could stay all day with the people. i find them fascinating, you don't hear a lot of this with the establishment thinking. it's great to be out here at exposition park. i want to thank america's